Josephine Cashman: What do you like about Wilcannia Micheal?
Michael Kennedy: It is where all my people are from we are the Barkandji people. The one thing we love most here is the river. It is full at the moment, isn't it? Yeah, it is good, real good.
Josephine Cashman: How many children do you have?
Michael Kennedy: Four.
Josephine Cashman:What are their ages? The oldest ones 18, youngest ones is two.
Josephine Cashman: Have you heard of the Uluru Statement?
Michael Kennedy: Yeah, I have heard of it.
Josephine Cashman: Has anyone asked you what your view on it is?
Michael Kennedy: Nah. We have had no consultations.
Josephine Cashman: Do you know a person call Noel Pearson?
Michael Kennedy I've heard of him.
Josephine Cashman:Marcia Langton?
Michael Kennedy:Yeah a little bit about her.
Josephine Cashman: Megan Davis?
Michael Kennedy: Yeah, same.
Josephine Cashman: Mark Leibler?
Michael Kennedy: Yeah.
Josephine Cashman: Do any of these people speak for you?
Michael Kennedy: I would like to think I speak for myself and for my people, where I live here in Wilcannia. They're saying that the majority of aboriginal people want the Uluru Statement. Yeah I don't think that's entirely true.
Why can't aboriginal people own their own homes? Individually yeah not individually.
Josephine Cashman: Do you think that would make a difference to people's lives if they could have their own home?
Michael Kennedy: Yeah a lot of them it would yeah.
Josephine Cashman: What do you think needs to happen in aboriginal affairs?
Michael Kennedy:People that actually make decisions need to come and sit at the table with us. And heard straight from us as on the ground people that live here. You know people outside and probably never been here making decisions on a lot of the stuff in the community.
Josephine Cashman: A lot of people say well aboriginal people should take responsibility and all this but if you've got no decision making do you think it affects people like psychologically you gotta wait for someone else to repair your home you don't own your home you have someone else comes in and tells you what to do you think that's part of the problem?
Michael Kennedy: Yeah well you know it takes away that sense of leadership ownership. You know I grew up around a lot of aboriginal politics showing me grandmother and grandfather and my aunties and uncles gone back a few while there was a lot of decisions they made that used to be directly impacted on the community and now a lot of that decision making was it has to go through you know different organisations or different levels of people and before a decision can be handed down to the community. That decision used to be made with underground people. I used to work on properties for a lot of years like contracting with mustering, and fencing and stuff like that.
Josephine Cashman: Do you enjoy it?
Michael Kennedy: i used to love it, yeah and that's why I did it I didn't do it because of the money and that it was just a lot so peaceful at times you know you go to work and it's peaceful at work after work or when you get up early in the mornings it's just so peaceful being out bush on country.
Since my involvement with the Land Council and you know being the chair role and that it was always my vision to get to that stage where we do have control over our lives basically. You know the decision making what we want to do being told or how to run our own affairs. A lot of the people around here, they went off the land and back into town and that's when a lot of not so much that generation but as generations went on it slowly drifted out of our people that that work mentality and not having a job. You know because station hands was a very very big part of the job industry around him like every family around he was working on the land you know like there's not one family here their grandmother or grandfather didn't work on the land everyone around in this community their family worked out on the land. And that's how I have it instilled in me because, true nan and pop with Ben Terrigar and you know my old great grandfather before that you know they used to work like Uncle Les he was a full-time fencer, wasn't he?
And Aunty Glad up there and as time went on and things started changing like they could not afford or did not want to pay them they came back into town. And as generations went on it slowly drifted out of them it impacted us a lot because there was a lot less employment. I know me being a man. I love to provide for my family that's, I've always been I felt I needed to be the one that's you know put the bread on the table and that's just my pride. You know like I hate it if I can't provide my family with a meal or you know keep the lights on in their house like I feel like that's my responsibility you know, that's my job.
I want aboriginal affairs to know that I don't support 'the Uluru' statement. I don't support the way they handling our fake aboriginals. I don't support the way they are filling our communities with all these overlapping services.Turn it around and make it jobs for us don't sit down, the money doesn't get to us. It don't get to us. Millions of dollars from aboriginal affairs where has is it, it all gone. You say you're looking after your people and that there, why haven't we got a shop here? You go and put seven million dollars into an art gallery!All we got is alcohol and drugs in our communities!Don't make decisions for us! Come and sit down with us and listen and talk with us. Don't make decisions for us and say that we agree with you need to come out don't come out, and just be amongst a few people you need to get amongst the community. Don't use me or my family to support something that's going to put us put us in a worser of spot.It's not about us it's about an agenda that will never ever get us out of the mess that you've got us in now!
Sissy King: Consultation happened that there was you know this talk of a native title.
Josephine Cashman: Well did you get any say about the native title act?
Sissy King: no there's no say no if i am whatsoever.
Josephine Cashman: so it was just pushed upon you and the people of Willicannia?
Sissy King: It's like what i say they don't come in and listen to us it doesn't come in and listen to us changed attitudes in our younger generation before activists we were growing up with church in different parts of the community activism went and destroyed that they stopped that and they brought alcohol they allowed alcohol into the community they pushed away harmony what we what we had here. And they talked about harmony and they went and pushed ours out we had our relationship between we had no color difference in this community. Non-indigenous families they knew where we belonged how we connected them and they still do today. They sound like them Americans about any words like mf and ff and nanny and everything poppy lickers and things that all comes from American anger and not there black anger American no need for it sit down and infiltrate our kids they try and make them someone else when they're not. They cause more battles in our lives today in federation days?
Josephine Cashman: What do you mean by federation days?
Sissy King: When the land trust then they come in with all this other stuff.
Josephine Cashman: So before the Land Rights Act you had a land trust? Sissy King: That was land trust.
Josephine Cashman:And were you consulted about the changes when I say consulted I mean were you given a chance to shape it?
Sissy King: No.
That was pushed on you in the Wran government other elders have told me that that's when the communists came in when the land tax came into New South Wales so do you see a change with the Land Rights act coming up?
Sissy King: I've seen it with the elders I've seen what it done to them comes in and was told this is how it is. No listening elders sit and listen to them how it is.
Josephine Cashman: Oh, so they just dictated to them?
Sissy King: Dictate manipulate.
Josephine Cashman: What other manipulation?
Sissy King:Well I can remember there was alcohol involved I supposed to with lobbying and stuff.
Introduction: Hello, I'm Josephine Cashman and unfortunately I'm bringing you some bad news, that we've got a really serious problem in our country. This is not an aboriginal problem this is our problem.
I've spent the last year after they tried to silence me working it out. I've known elders have been voiceless for decades and people who don't have the authority get all the say. Now tonight you're going to hear from a very senior lawman and the man who's lived with him for 30 years as his adopted son an Aussie. And they're going to tell you that the native title system is corrupt, they're being overtaken by fake aboriginals for a totalitarian scheme for Australia thirty, rather eighty to seventy percent of Australian ten years will be under native title the elders have been cut out. Think about why that's happening they need the "Uluru statement "which is a trojan horse to make that happen. I need you after this to write a letter opposing the "Uluru voice" not even the Uluru elders were consulted about this statement and they don't want the name used. I'm going to be traveling around Australia to inform you of this. I need your support. I'm not a media celebrity or a sporting star, but I care about Australia, and I need you to please to listen to the information and understand the risks it's not the belt and road initiative its native title think about it 80% of our country with fake aboriginals controlling it. People who can fake aboriginality can do anything.
The real elders want Australia to come together. They love Australians they didn't even want this native title act, they weren't consulted. Please help us to help you.
Charles Reid: Charles Reid Ninjitsu aboriginal name.
Bob Brown: Bob Brown I've been out here for 30 years with the old fella.
Josephine Cashman: I've been trying to explain this to people right and when you get into the detail. It's so much people can't comprehend how much you guys have been ripped off we're consulted on the native title right and it came in and if you've spent years in court lawyers have got rich. You got nothing and now you're not consulted and they say they're consoled with the elders and they haven't.
Bob Brown: The only thing I can add about the Uluru statement business is at the time they said that they that it was all written up and that they consulted with the old people it was a lie because the old people were all down here.
Josephine Cashman: Oh my goodness.
Bob Brown: Yes it was constructed by whoever constructed it the lawyers divided the people and the people that they've now got controlling Ninjitsu's country well half of them are white people and none of these people understand the law of customs to be able to represent the country.Can i just stop you there so I understand sorry you're saying they're fake aboriginals pretending to be.
Josephine Cashman: Really?
Both agreeing: Yeah, yeah,
Bob Brown: Yeah i'll give you a little story talking on the criminal side of things uh the lawyer that came to introduce a native title to an angel and his people he forged and uttered Ninjitsu's common seal. Ninjitsu has an organisation the Kokatha of the people's community now when ninja wouldn't sign BHP documents because he hadn't read them the lawyer instructed other people around Ninjitsu to instruct the lawyer to make another common seal and the lawyer created that common seal and got those people to sign it and all dealings with bhp since have been fraudulent and we do have the uh evidence to back all that up 100%.
Josephine Cashman: BHP the guy who earns a hundred thousand dollars a week the ceo gave um I think nearly a million dollars for the Uluru statement?Bob Brown: Yeah that'd be right because it's the wrong people creating the Uluru statement it wasn't made by the old people.
Josephine Cashman: Why are they doing it?
Bob Brown:Well it does all gets back to greed and a dollar everybody wanting to possess as much as they can the lawyers of native title drew the boundaries not the traditional old people and yeah they've run with that basically the lawyers of native title are fed the courts bull shit to put it bluntly.
Josephine Cashman: Have you got any legal remedies now you've got to go back into court?
Bob Brown: Oh yeah which could take another 10 years.
Josephine Cashman: Oh what a joke.
Bob Brown: by then all the old people are dead.
Josephine Cashman: Now they're letting fake it fake in.
Bob Brown: Yeah the lawyers drew the boundaries.
Josephine Cashman: So they were better off without?
Bob Brown: oh totally. They were in what white like before a native title they had their law and custom and country they still do now it's only the native title will not recognise the traditional tribal people.
Josephine Cashman: Well this has been going on for more than 30 years.
Bob Brown: That's right since the introduction of native titles.
Josephine Cashman: And they never consulted with anyone?
Bob Brown: No .
Josephine Cashman: So what do you think going on?
Bob Brown: Oh hey it's just to take over a country for the minerals this country is so mineral rich diamonds gold uranium everything and the government wants control they've taken control. Government and big business oh yes, of course, they're all at parcel hand in hand with each other the back room boys of Canberra have created a lot.
Josephine Cashman: Are you surprised at how complex like this scheme has been?
Bob Brown: No, they've made a complex it isn't complex if you listen to the old people you know it's not complex it's only why it fell away that's making it complex.
Josephine Cashman: And would you agree that they've made a complex because they've it's a scam?
Bob Brown: They've made a complex to take it from the people, not just aboriginal people but Australian people white people what is their heritage as well.
Josephine Cashman: Can you explain?
Bob Brown: that the old people say everyone is one black and white yes.
Belinda King: Belinda King, I've lived there all my life. I've got six children. i'm also a widow. My partner of 24 years ago died 4 years ago, this year
Josephine Cashman: How many grandchildren?
Belinda King: I have eight
Josephine Cashman: Eight wow what are their age ranges?
Belinda King: Eight, six, four
three, and two months.
Josephine Cashman: Two months, so what do you like about Willicannia?
Belinda King: I love what he used to use so laid back and this is Barkindji country and from me.
Josephine Cashman: Do you know what the Uluru statement
Belinda King: I've heard about.
Josephine Cashman:has anyone asked you about it?
Josephine Cashman: Has anyone asked you if you want it?
Josephine Cashman: Did anyone consult with you your
family about native title?
Belinda King: No.
Josephine Cashman: Do you know a person called Noel
Belinda King: I've heard of him.
Josephine Cashman: Do you know anything about him?
Belinda King: Not real not much. I guess just see him on tv. That's it.
Josephine Cashman: What about Marcia Langton?
Belinda King: I've heard about here I've seen her on tv.
Josephine Cashman: Have you spoken to her?
Belinda King:No, i haven't.
Josephine Cashman: Does she speak for you?
Belinda King: No, she don't.
Josephine Cashman: Does Noel Pearson speak for you?
Belinda King: No, he doesn't.
Josephine Cashman: Do you know a person called Megan Davis?
Belinda King: No I've never her of her.
Josephine Cashman: Does Megan Davis speak for you?
Belinda King: No.
Josephine Cashman: Do you know a person called Mark leibler?
Belinda King: I've heard of him but he don't speak for us.
Josephine Cashman: Do you get a chance to make decisions
about things that affect you?
Belinda King: No, we don't.
Josephine Cashman: What happens?
We get everybody else and outsiders and make the decisions for us, not us on the ground.
Josephine Cashman: Do you have a problem with what they
call anglo or white Australians?
Belinda King: Not really because well my ancestry is
Scottish with my great grandfather.
Josephine Cashman: Yeah do you know how much money gets spent in aboriginal affairs it's double the amount that it's double for aboriginal people and non-aboriginal people do you get lots of money?
Belinda King: No, I don't.
Josephine Cashman: Did you get free stuff?
Belinda King: No, I don't we don't get free stuff.
Josephine Cashman: Because a lot of Australians think that you know
aboriginal people get all this free stuff because there's all this funding.
Belinda King:I still work for the doll and at the end of the day. I don't have much to spend once you're paying your rent and your electricity so we're not we're ready you know we don't get things given to us, we don't get the money given to us.
Josephine Cashman: How much does food cost here?
Belinda King: It costs an arm and a leg. it's very dear here in Wilcannia.
Josephine Cashman: How much more is it than the Coles in Broken Hill for example?
Belinda King: You could go to Coals maybe spend 100 bucks there and you can come out with you know think just about all the essentials what you want and you go to the shop here it's costing you an 'arm a leg.' Maybe nearly 200 just for a couple of shopping bags.
Josephine Cashman: When you were growing up right I heard
that your mother was a school teacher?
Belinda King: Yes, she was.
Josephine Cashman: And you're very proud of that aren't you
yes very proud of that, aren't you?
Josephine Cashman: And your grandmother and grandfather they were married all your lives and so are your mum and dad and they had lots of jobs didn't they?
Belinda King: Yes, they did they worked were they living theThings they wanted they worked hard for it.
Josephine Cashman: There were 13 hotels here at one time. Do you remember any of that?
Belinda King: Yes, I've heard about it and I've seen some more newspaper things about it yeah.
Josephine Cashman: And which would it be fair to say this town's practically dead?
Belinda King: Yes, it's more or less like a ghost town now.
Josephine Cashman: Do you know why that's happened?
Belinda King: Oh, we're the forgotten people. We're the ones they forget about. They don't realize we live here in Willicannia.
Josephine Cashman: So like when you were growing up because you had a wonderful childhood, right?
Belinda King:Yes. No violence no, no violence. All this all the drugs and all the abuse was happening now it wasn't happening back when we were growing up.
Josephine Cashman: Why do you think it's changed?
Belinda King: Too much corruption all the fake people, claimers yeah tell me about the fake claimers yeah.
Josephine Cashman: Tell me about what is a fake claimer then, what is a fake claimer then let's start with that?
Belinda King: A fake claimer is Bruce Pascoe. He's not aboriginal he's white as he's from England.
Josephine Cashman: You've also had fake claimers in your traditional,
traditional native title group correct?
Belinda King: Yes, that's correct.
Josephine Cashman: Why can't you get rid of them?
Belinda King: I do not know.
Josephine Cashman: Have you tried?
Belinda King: I think we may be on the ball now trying to get rid of them some of them resigned!
Josephine Cashman: That's good do you think it's a direct result of us?
Belinda King: Yes, it is.
Josephine Cashman: Really?
Belinda King: Yes.
Josephine Cashman: Oh so we actually getting, some wins?
Belinda King: Yes, you are, yeah.
Josephine Cashman: Really! Oh, that's good news.
Belinda King: Yeah, they are resigning now.
Josephine Cashman: Do you think they're getting starting to get uncomfortable?
Belinda King: Yes.
Josephine Cashman: What should happen to people who've
falsely claimed to be aboriginal and got money as a result?
Josephine Cashman: Jail that's what they go to jail.
Josephine Cashman: Could I just say are these people the
fake claimers do they normally have a lot of power?
Belinda King: Yes they have a lot of power right they think they speak for us but all they're doing is just filling their pockets up and everything.
Josephine Cashman: Do you understand why the media and the
public servants and everybody allows the fake claimers it's just quite bizarre to have these high positions when they're not even aboriginal to make decisions for you?
Belinda King: No that's wrong. No one's got a right to make a decision for us here. It's up to us to make that you know what we want.
Josephine Cashman: The real elders don't have a say is that
Belinda King: Yes, that's correct?
Josephine Cashman: How does that make you feel?
Belinda King: It makes me angry, very angry because we are getting
Josephine Cashman: See I was starting to like because when I first came here right auntie Sissy thought it was racism right the reason why you don't have a voice and now we know in a way it's trying to get, set aboriginal people up against Australian people?
Belinda King: Yeah, I've seen it but I've heard about and seen it yeah.
Josephine Cashman: Because when you when you don't know any better
like these people get all to say you're cut out you could actually easily think it's all the Australian people against you. Have you thought felt like that at any time?
Belinda King: Yeah, being in town you didn't feel like that a lot here. You go to
Josephine Cashman: Going to consistent meetings and not being heard?
Belinda King: Um.
Josephine Cashman: You lost your parents house recently because of the shire right?
Belinda King: Yes
Josephine Cashman: Yes, there's only a little bit of there's in another person's name and you were negotiating with a barrister and a lawyer and they sold it for five thousand dollars?
Belinda King: Yep, they wouldn't even give us a chance it just made us feel like fools.
Josephine Cashman: Do they punish honest people?
Not here they don't get punished they just keep on doing what they want to do.
Josephine Cashman: And don't listen to you?
Belinda King: They don't then listen to anybody they just want to do what they want to do.
Josephine Cashman: So growing up you had a strong mother, strong father strong, grandfather, strong grandmother who were very well liked
by everybody in the town had lots of jobs
and then the town's slowly being destroyed the native title group you've got set up they've got all these fakes claimers in there and it's getting to the point where you guys don't have to say it all and you're the traditional people's is that correct?
Belinda King: Yep, that's correct.
Josephine Cashman: And you know you can't own your own home on the land even though the land council has been given it by the state government is that correct?
Belinda King: Yes.
Josephine Cashman: And all your repairs and maintenance are done
outside through another body and when last time when they came in you told me you had people who couldn't speak English and they put the electrical points the wrong way?
Belinda King: Yep, you got um to go into the bathroom and the toilet you get the lights which is on the outside and the fan which is connected with one button so they're not separated so.
Josephine Cashman: So you can't have any you can't do the repairs maintenance yourself?
Belinda King: Yes.
Josephine Cashman: You're not allowed to have control of
your homes and your homes are extremely over for yourself not all your kids live with you but a lot of them you, you're battling to have enough space to live is that correct?
Belinda King: Yes that's correct.
Josephine Cashman: and how does that make you feel?
Belinda King: um this makes me angry because we can't get any more houses built out here we got um a lot of other crowded houses there a lot of families
all you know all sleep in the lounge and that's where I'm sleeping at the moment in the lounge that's my bedroom.
Josephine Cashman: Because you've givenyour bedroom to your adult children with their kids is that right?
Belinda King: Yes
Josephine Cashman: and you're really like you read books you're really smart you'd love to have a great job right?
Belinda King: Yes.
Josephine Cashman: Hard to get a job here right everything's closed down?
Belinda King: Everyone is happy when they got their own home.
Josephine Cashman: That's the main thing you want, it feels like they're not giving you what you want on purpose.
Belinda King: Yes.
Josephine Cashman: But is there anything else you want to say because it's your chance to have a say?
Belinda King: Well I don't agree with uh Uluru statement, we don't need anybody to speak for us we speak for ourselves.
Charles Reid: Charles Reid. Ninjitsu Aboriginal name.
Bob Brown: Bod Brown I've been out here for 30 years with the old fella.
Hey it's a sense of connection of being one with everything ah I couldn't ask for more it's yeah your own country it's what it's about. it's yeah it's home.
Josephine Cashman: Would this be an appropriate time to ask a couple of questions
Josephine Cashman: Um just that yes and no sort of easy okay?
Josephine Cashman: So do you know a guy called Bruce
Charles Reid: No, we see him on TV.
Josephine Cashman:Do you know any of his relatives,?
Charles Reid: no, no, no.
Josephine Cashman: He says you're a farmer.
Charles Reid: He said I'm a farmer.
Josephine Cashman: yeah,
Charles Reid: I'm not a farmer.
Bob Brown: No, no he's trying to say that um aboriginal people have always sort of farmed the land he's talking that way you can't be called farmers as in that.
Josephine Cashman: Do you reckon you could ever put a harness on a kangaroo and plough the fields?
Both: Nah, no
Josephine Cashman: What about an emu, dingo? Come on there must be.
What about an echidna, put a little harness on an echidna?
Both: No, No
Josephine Cashman: Have you seen a harness on an echidna ploughing on the field
Both: Nah, no.
Josephine Cashman: is it possible?
Bob Brown:No, you got to know yourself that's rubbish talk. That's wrong. That's silly white fella talk. No, you've got to know yourself that's. yeah that's rubbishat the silly white fella talk,
Charles Reid: He don't know his culture.
Tammy King: Hello, my name is Tammy I'm a widow of, I live in Wilicannia and I'm a mother of seven kids, children lost my partner 10 years ago, I lost my daughter 12 months ago. And talking about the Uluru statement I don't believe in it I never heard of it and my belief believing it needs to be stopped. No we don't get to make our own decision decisions in our community we've got of towners coming in speaking up and we just sit back. We don't get to make our own decision and the way I see it all going it is it is wrong.
Josephine Cashman: Have you ever heard of a guy called Mark Liebler?
Tammy King:No no not very often well.
Josephine Cashman: He's not aboriginal but he's making he gets to talk directly to the pm about the voice and says it's what all aboriginal people want what do you say to that?
Tammy King: I don't agree with him um I don't believe him and at the end of the day we should be making our own decisions for our community and speaking up forever our community we've got younger generations they don't know what's going on I know what's going to happen it is wrong and it all got us needs to stop because we've got all these fake claimers coming in we to need to stop them.
Josephine Cashman: What do you want the Australian people to do to help you?
Tammy King: They need to listen to us and we need to come together and stand as one and speak up for as for one.
Josephine Cashman: Message from Murray the Uluru statement
Murray George: I'm a little bit worried we know that the young people are using them um like that Labor, Labor person went to um Ayers Rock and he maybe talked and then they'd be talking about two people mentioning about big mob. They got to stop telling lies to people.
Josephine Cashman: When you say a big mob no one met him there did they it was only the land council?
Murray George: No, that's Labor bloke go to Ayres Rock and said
he'd talk to people, he didn't talk to people, he might be talking about a 3 people or 4 poor people you know.
I'll put that on the video for you, yeah and let people know that he didn't meet with anyone important. oh because Aryes Rock got its own lore, it is not right that statement.
Josephine Cashman: Yes, I will make sure I do that I promise.
I'll do it straight away because I'm I have actually had to drive out of Wilcannia because the reception's bad that's why I didn't get the text message because the reception it doesn't work drive
out and upload the video.
Murray George:Well, I was thinking um amazing business um out of business at um Aryes Rock you know with the Mutitjulu people and we're going to show them to people you know around, around Australia and say Ayres Rock got a whole its own lore, not the statement.
Josephine Cashman: I would love to let's do it when you're ready.
Murray George:I will ask Trevor Anderson and other family from that area and all those people there. That the chairperson using all these people a chairperson called Sammy Wilson and he's a bad person he's not a poor leader and they work for the land council as a chairperson person.